Questions, problems and debates put to existing deliberative systems are in conflict with the archaic concepts, the supply of wisdom, knowledge and data, and the analytical methods of those systems. Those wanting to participate in political power are frustrated. Priorities set by decision-making processes are unrelated to people's needs and expectations.
The inflexibility of the decision making processes of governments vary from system to system but all fail to actually involve local people, except in the most minimal of ways, in the political processes. As governments become more complex the less flexible they are in discerning or responding to the needs of the grassroots. People become more disenfranchised, more tyrannized by government and less and less involved in the processes of governing. The government becomes less and less legitimate and then increases its complexity and inflexibility.
Deliberative systems are being seriously threatened and rendered ineffective and noncomprehensive by the complexity and size of highly urbanized societies. Problems are developing which are of a very different nature from those out of which the systems were created. Ineffectiveness and parochialism are evident in the face of the demand for meaningful effective grassroots participation.